[12:58] Intellagirl Tully: Hi Audio
[12:58] You: hi there
[12:58] Milosun Czervik: az - ltns!
[12:58] Alfy Rosebud: OK. I"ve had problems with this before. Right now I just see blue screen. Does that make sense?
[12:58] MystiTool HUD 1.0.18: Entering chat range: Wainbrave Bernal (1m)
[12:58] Intellagirl Tully: yes. give it a sec and it should woroik
[12:59] Intellagirl Tully: it may take a min
[12:59] You: hi waine
[12:59] Wainbrave Bernal: Hi Audio
[12:59] Intellagirl Tully: Hey Wain!
[12:59] Wainbrave Bernal: Hey we meet inworld!
[12:59] You: :)
[13:00] Alfy Rosebud: I still see just blue screen
[13:01] Wainbrave Bernal: I go the Quicktime psilon thing goin.
[13:02] Intellagirl Tully: the video may take a sec to start
[13:03] Alfy Rosebud: I'm still seeing nothing though.
[13:03] Yuli Orman: hello
[13:03] bg Bingyi: hello
[13:03] Intellagirl Tully: Hi klaatu
[13:04] Klaatu Congrejo: Hi. got a bit dizzy there. sorry
[13:04] You: :)
[13:04] You: no problem
[13:04] Intellagirl Tully: we'll start in 5. feel free to go ahead and begin the video if it works for you with your media controls
[13:05] Alfy Rosebud: where are the media controls?
[13:05] Intellagirl Tully: at the bottom of your screen
[13:06] Intellagirl Tully: Hey BG!
[13:07] Intellagirl Tully: Trhanks for coming everyone! Feel free to start the video
[13:07] Intellagirl Tully: use your movie control at the bottom of your creen to begin it
[13:08] Intellagirl Tully: We'll start the discssion at 1:20 or so...it's a 7 min video
[13:08] You: hi jane
[13:08] Intellagirl Tully: Hi Jane
[13:08] Jane Calvert: Hi Audio
[13:08] Jane Calvert: Hey Intellagirl
[13:08] Intellagirl Tully: Hi Sto
[13:08] Jane Calvert: It was Audio's tweet that got me here. :-)
[13:08] You: :))
[13:08] Alfy Rosebud: OK. Now I'm in audio/video. What do I do?
[13:09] Mintee Balut: `Hey Intellagirl
[13:09] Intellagirl Tully: be sure you have videoenabled
[13:10] Alfy Rosebud: I pressed "play media stream" I see nothing but blue screen.
[13:10] Intellagirl Tully: do you have quicktime Alfy?
[13:10] Milosun Czervik: is there a URL where I can see the video? my stream is no longer working
[13:10] You: rtsp://streaming.intellagirl.com/streaming.intellagirl.com/afterthefireh.mov
[13:11] Intellagirl Tully: thanks audioo
[13:11] Alfy Rosebud: I don't know. Do I need to go out of world to check?
[13:11] Wainbrave Bernal: my stream is not even trickling
[13:11] Milosun Czervik: are you suffering from a weak stream, WainBrave?
[13:11] Intellagirl Tully: you can follow the url that audio just provided to watch the vido in a browser instead
[13:12] You: It may be maxed out sarah, on that server where you hosted it.
[13:12] Wainbrave Bernal: yes, Milo - I'll do that IntellaGirl
[13:12] Intellagirl Tully: the video is really well done but not absolutely necessary for the discussion
[13:12] You: Sarah, I'll put together small laptops containing the stream, people can take away with them if you like.
[13:13] Intellagirl Tully: thanks
[13:13] Intellagirl Tully: how many of you are able to see the stream?
[13:13] Wainbrave Bernal: nyet
[13:13] Klaatu Congrejo: I just got the quicktime logo at the moment
[13:13] Elizabeth Chamerberlin: I cannot
[13:13] Elizabeth Chamerberlin: Only have quicktime logo
[13:13] Jane Calvert: Yes me too....just the logo
[13:14] Intellagirl Tully: Well even iwthout the video we can go ahead and begin the discussion then
[13:14] Intellagirl Tully: is that ok with everyone?
[13:14] Wainbrave Bernal: sure!
[13:14] Mintee Balut: not me
[13:14] Jane Calvert: Yes totally
[13:14] Jane Calvert: Np
[13:14] Elizabeth Chamerberlin: it's cool
[13:14] Intellagirl Tully: Thanks for being patient
[13:14] Sato Cazalet: im ok
[13:14] Intellagirl Tully: sorry for the video problems
[13:14] Intellagirl Tully: i'll be sure that you all get a link to watch it
[13:14] Intellagirl Tully: we're here today for the People's Burn Foundation
[13:15] Intellagirl Tully: a non-profit group dedicated to raising fire injury awareness
[13:15] Intellagirl Tully: since a lot of you are educator your input is really important
[13:15] Intellagirl Tully: we're concerned that many students aren't fire-safety aware
[13:16] Intellagirl Tully: Do you have a sense of how safe your campuses are?
[13:16] Intellagirl Tully: are you asked to go over fire safety with your students?
[13:17] Intellagirl Tully: for example, do they even know how to exit your classrooms safely?
[13:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.18: Entering chat range: Goldie Katsu (19m)
[13:17] Milosun Czervik: http://www.studentprograms.vt.edu/firesafety/
[13:17] naiad Remblai is Online
[13:17] Intellagirl Tully: yeah Milo...most campuses have a program but are the students really aware of it?
[13:17] Wainbrave Bernal: Well, following the tragedies at Virginia Tech - nodding to Milo - we have talked about safety strategies in general more
[13:18] Milosun Czervik: I think that the Resident Advisors are in charge of going over it with dorm residents
[13:18] Milosun Czervik: I am sure they would be, actually
[13:18] Milosun Czervik: and yes..'
[13:18] naiad Remblai is Offline
[13:18] Milosun Czervik: what happened here last month has caused a good deal of conversations about campus safety in general
[13:19] Intellagirl Tully: So the dorm advisors are in charge of that information?
[13:19] JustinCLuker Crosby: I'm going to one of our Partner colleges and I have to attend a 15minute fire safety presentation before I can teach on their site
[13:19] Alfy Rosebud: I just see a quick logo up on the screen. What's going on?
[13:19] Milosun Czervik: but the issue is that A LOT of students get tired of the false alarms...
[13:19] Milosun Czervik: where som idiot pulls the alarm after coming in drunk at 2 am on a Thursday night...
[13:19] Milosun Czervik: then everyone is standing outside freezing their arses off for an hour
[13:19] Milosun Czervik: so... a few of those... and people just sleep in.
[13:20] Intellagirl Tully: Are you all aware that as of rightnow, May, we've surpassed the recod of studen deaths due to fire on colege campuses?
[13:20] Wainbrave Bernal: yes - much like the person who dozes off while driving... the attention goes lax when danger isn't immediate
[13:20] Intellagirl Tully: Good point Milo...do they not take it seriously?
[13:20] Milosun Czervik: why should they?
[13:20] Milosun Czervik: if, after 10 alarms, NONE is real...
[13:20] Intellagirl Tully: is there a solution?
[13:20] Milosun Czervik: then #11, even if real, slows reactions considerably
[13:21] Milosun Czervik: sure... cameras in the hall...
[13:21] Milosun Czervik: to catch the perps of false alarms...
[13:21] Milosun Czervik: and to prosecute them
[13:21] Wainbrave Bernal: raise the stakes + simulations (!)
[13:21] Intellagirl Tully: Do you think that showin them the consequences of a fire would make them more aware, more likely to assume every alarm is real?
[13:22] Milosun Czervik: I can only speak from personal experience.... my dad showed me pictures of fire victims when I was 6 or 7...
[13:22] Milosun Czervik: he was a volunteer firefighter... and very concerned for our safey in an older house...
[13:22] Milosun Czervik: so I was VERY careful not to do silly things with matches or accelerants then...
[13:22] Intellagirl Tully: this video shows the story of two students burned at Seton Hall in the dorm fire....do those stories "wake students up"?
[13:22] Milosun Czervik: that'd be a good research question
[13:22] Wainbrave Bernal: that's a great example, Milo! we need a spiraling curriculum!
[13:23] Rholling Rhode: FYI...there wre 19 false alarms in the weeks leading up to the fatal fire at Seton Hall
[13:23] Milosun Czervik: well, I'm not sure one would get IRB clearance to show young kids photos of burn victims.
[13:23] Milosun Czervik: actually, the situation at VT is relevant...
[13:23] Intellagirl Tully: well they don't have to be graphic
[13:23] Milosun Czervik: before the shooting on April 16th...
[13:23] Intellagirl Tully: i agree goldie
[13:23] Wainbrave Bernal: start with some experiences young and scaffold through to the older years
[13:23] Milosun Czervik: we had 2 false bomb threats...
[13:23] Milosun Czervik: so all the commotion was kind of "ho hum" at first
[13:24] Milosun Czervik: I think fire photos would have to be somewhat graphic to be effective.
[13:24] Intellagirl Tully: VT is certainly a sobering exampl...do you think tudents will stay vigilant? or will it pass if nothing else happens?
[13:24] You: Yes, I used to be in the ROYAL Navy, and we were exposed to burn victims and had fire extinguishing duty.. might be over the top, but was very impressionable.
[13:24] Wainbrave Bernal: the human brain is not only a pattern-maker, but a filter too
[13:24] Milosun Czervik: it will pass... who can possibly imagine such horror happening again? But the problem is that it can - not just the shootings - but the fires...
[13:25] Intellagirl Tully: what do you mean Wainbrav?
[13:25] Milosun Czervik: people think that such a thing necessarily makes "those in charge" more careful or whatever
[13:25] Intellagirl Tully: good point milo...someone else is watching out for me, right?
[13:25] Milosun Czervik: yep... false sense of security, for sure.
[13:26] Wainbrave Bernal: If I come into a house and it stinks like cooked cabbage - I will filter it out eventually
[13:26] Intellagirl Tully: so they filter out the fear?
[13:26] Wainbrave Bernal: If I hear 10 fire alarms and they are all false, I will begin to filter it out as not important
[13:26] Milosun Czervik: goldie - it will take a while for us to figure out what lessons were learned. That nutcases - or fires - can kill is not a lesson really.
[13:27] Intellagirl Tully: beyond that tho, we're not sure that students even know how to respond if they think it's a real fire
[13:27] Wainbrave Bernal: Getting out of a burning building with little injury would make a great video game
[13:28] Milosun Czervik: those exist
[13:28] Intellagirl Tully: how aware are all of you regarding how toget out of the bilding where you teachif there is a fire? are you riefed on that?
[13:28] Milosun Czervik: as do "burn houses"
[13:28] Milosun Czervik: that is a good question, IT
[13:28] You: wainbrave YES... we did that for real as part of fire duty... fire control.. very real.
[13:28] Milosun Czervik: not sure me or my students really "know" how to get out of a fire... it'd be a good thing to cover.
[13:29] Wainbrave Bernal: would it work as a tool if we made those available to the general public?
[13:29] Wainbrave Bernal: especially if modeled after buildings that we use everyday!
[13:29] Intellagirl Tully: we know that most fires happen in the reidences, off campus, where th students are responsible for their own escape
[13:29] You: I wonder if a week of fire induction (along with other Health & Safety) would be a good concept... credit weighted too
[13:29] Milosun Czervik: I think if things were designed in SL, they would have to be matched with some RL programs...
[13:30] Wainbrave Bernal: absolutely
[13:30] Milosun Czervik: practice escape with your avatar in a SL building ...
[13:30] Milosun Czervik: then figure out if that works in the RL situation... especially with smoke (fog) present
[13:30] Wainbrave Bernal: make it timed
[13:30] Intellagirl Tully: for thoseof yu who are parents...would you feel confident that your college age student would know how to escape a fire on campus?
[13:30] Intellagirl Tully: why not?
[13:31] You: I always think back to my military days, we HAD to do fire control... why don't students of the same age? - in sometimes more dangerous environments.
[13:31] Wainbrave Bernal: The question is also: what are my kids PEERS going to do - even if I teach my kids well?
[13:31] Intellagirl Tully: what do you mean wain?
[13:31] Intellagirl Tully: good point vidorah
[13:31] Milosun Czervik: but how many of us, on checking into a hotel, go over the fire escape plans???
[13:31] Milosun Czervik: same deal, really...
[13:32] Wainbrave Bernal: people that are not trained might panic and put other people in jeaopardy (i.e. my kids)
[13:32] Intellagirl Tully: but we know that so many students die in hous fire off campus
[13:32] Intellagirl Tully: good point
[13:32] You: Yes but if we all had fire safety and fire control orientations, and students, it would be second nature.
[13:32] Rholling Rhode: Vidorah...why didn't occurr to you to talk to your child?
[13:33] Wainbrave Bernal: exactly - so leaving it to parents to individually teach it to your kids might be insufficient
[13:33] Intellagirl Tully: well and if we talk to our children...why not our grown children, our sudents?
[13:33] You: wainbrave yes.... it should be part of an institution
[13:33] Wainbrave Bernal: though laudable, of course!
[13:33] Josepi Noel: chances of escaping would be better of course, if the students had some knowledge
[13:33] You: part of the induction....
[13:33] You: take them off to a fire control camp
[13:33] Milosun Czervik: I think it'd be useful to talk about the circumstances of the fires...
[13:33] You: play with real fires
[13:34] Milosun Czervik: most think that if they see an alarm and see some sprinker heads - then all will be fine
[13:34] Wainbrave Bernal: talk to real burn victims (survivors)
[13:34] Intellagirl Tully: these are fires in off campus housing
[13:34] Intellagirl Tully: good point milo...but they don't check the batteries
[13:34] Milosun Czervik: right...
[13:34] Milosun Czervik: but I bet the battery on the iPod or phone is fully charged
[13:35] Rholling Rhode: In most fatal fires, there was a smoke alarm present when they rented, but....
[13:35] Intellagirl Tully: they dont know how to maintain them?
[13:35] Rholling Rhode: They deliberately took down the smoke alarm, removed the battery or covered it up
[13:35] Intellagirl Tully: why does that happen Rholling?
[13:35] Wainbrave Bernal: because of their cooking habits?
[13:36] Rholling Rhode: False alarm activations, mainly during parties or cooking
[13:36] Intellagirl Tully: so if we assume theyr're learning it on campus, campus assumes people are learning from parents...who is teaching?
[13:36] Rholling Rhode: How can we drill home the fatal consequences of what they interepret as a harmless act?
[13:37] Wainbrave Bernal: I am a survivor of a head-on car crash with a drunk driver
[13:37] Josepi Noel: Exactly
[13:37] Wainbrave Bernal: I will share my x.p. with those who might listen
[13:38] Wainbrave Bernal: stories make people imagine and think
[13:38] Rholling Rhode: Students are far more aware of their personal safety, as they move around campus
[13:38] Rholling Rhode: Than they are of fire and burn safety.
[13:38] Rholling Rhode: Why do you think that?
[13:38] Intellagirl Tully: the students who have viewed this video, with sories of real burn injuries, keep responding that they'd rather learn through humor
[13:38] Wainbrave Bernal: if they can't foresee the possibilities, they won't improve their Future Time Perspective
[13:39] Milosun Czervik: there is a time when humor is decidedly non-productive
[13:39] Wainbrave Bernal: humor is effective to teach about death, true
[13:39] Milosun Czervik: not everything has to have a Daily Show production...
[13:39] Wainbrave Bernal: humor gives us a little emotional insulation to horror
[13:39] Milosun Czervik: no one likes to be scared... few like to think of their own mortality...
[13:40] Wainbrave Bernal: think of the many horror movies with comedy thrown in
[13:40] Intellagirl Tully: so how do we prevent them from looking away or ignoring the infformation when it isn't "fun"?
[13:40] You: I really do believe one solution is to run fire control courses... off with the fire dept for a week.
[13:40] You: Give them a sense of responsibility
[13:40] Intellagirl Tully: would peopl do it tho, audio?
[13:40] You: they would if weighted
[13:40] You: credit weighted
[13:40] Wainbrave Bernal: layer the effects: interlace humor in to give breathing room to the heavy weight
[13:41] Milosun Czervik: part of what needs to happen, though...
[13:41] You: include other health & Safety
[13:41] Milosun Czervik: is not just college officials saying "Pay attention or else!"
[13:41] Milosun Czervik: instead, there needs to be an atmosphere of caring for the lives and well-being of students.
[13:41] You: let them fight a real fire
[13:41] You: let them work in teams on putting out a fire....
[13:41] You: creating a water wall
[13:41] Milosun Czervik: you can tell kids not to drink over and over... yet still many die of alcohol poisoning....
[13:41] You: all basic military stuff really..
[13:42] Intellagirl Tully: good point milo...fear with a sense of caring?
[13:42] Milosun Czervik: but how do they respond to situations where they feel like someone actually cares for them...
[13:42] Wainbrave Bernal: I have a bunch of friends that are smokejumpers and firefighters -
[13:42] Milosun Czervik: where they are not numbers of faces in a dorm... but a real person with something to contribute
[13:42] Wainbrave Bernal: they say that learning the "ecology of fire" is important
[13:42] Milosun Czervik: (or faces in off-campus housing..)
[13:43] Intellagirl Tully: but how do we do that, milo? small group training? we want them to know we care but they tune out
[13:43] Milosun Czervik: it depends on the campus, really.
[13:43] Milosun Czervik: it'd be hard here, truth be told...
[13:43] Wainbrave Bernal: differentiated instruction
[13:43] Milosun Czervik: but there are many different ways to reach students
[13:43] Wainbrave Bernal: each learner has different needs
[13:44] Wainbrave Bernal: use a Universal Design for Learning approach
[13:44] Milosun Czervik: do any colleges/unis represented here do fire safety during Freshman Orientation?
[13:44] Intellagirl Tully: if we had manditory fire safety info in freshman oreitntation? would that work?
[13:44] You: In UK with some vocational qualifications it is impossible NOT to include some aspect of Health & Saftey, in the courses.
[13:44] Milosun Czervik: we do run small groups for that .... over the course of 8 weeks or so in the summer... the incoming class of 6,000 or so kids....
[13:44] Milosun Czervik: maybe 4K...
[13:44] Intellagirl Tully: good point about whole education audio
[13:45] Intellagirl Tully: so milo, fire safety is part of that?
[13:45] You: Yes, as part of the induction, credit weighted
[13:45] Milosun Czervik: I am going to ask, IT... I really don't know.
[13:45] Milosun Czervik: and leadership plays a critical role...
[13:45] Milosun Czervik: college administration needs to set aside "fire safety" weeks... just as elementary school principals do!
[13:46] Intellagirl Tully: and i think that's is whats most imporoant....these students are our kids, we're responsible for them and we don't know whehter they know. we shoud
[13:46] You: Apart from anything else a fire fighting course is damn good team building =skills.....
[13:46] You: you fight fire in teams
[13:47] Milosun Czervik: wasn't there a sim here in SL - maybe last spring - that simulated fires on an oil rig for training purposes?
[13:47] Milosun Czervik: I never did find it...
[13:47] You: I'm not suggesting students become fire fighters... but in fighing fire in teams, they become very aware.....
[13:47] Intellagirl Tully: we know that there are two ages ofpeople we eduate about fre..kids under 7 and adults over 65
[13:47] Intellagirl Tully: there's a huge gap in the mddle
[13:47] Josepi Noel: I agree
[13:47] Milosun Czervik: people have said that about my ears
[13:47] Wainbrave Bernal: http://www.birchgrovepublishing.com/id21.html
[13:48] Intellagirl Tully: what's the first safety tip that comes to your mind when someone mentions "fire safety"
[13:48] Milosun Czervik: stop drop and roll
[13:48] Wainbrave Bernal: stop. drop. roll
[13:48] Wainbrave Bernal: ha!
[13:48] Milosun Czervik: not very helpful though - is it?
[13:48] You: We also had to do ships damage control.. you know ship hit with torpedo... now stop it sinking.... much the same team building and awareness... I've never understood why all the military do this but not thousands of students in an institution.
[13:48] Intellagirl Tully: That' our point...stop drop and roll is to put out fire...where is the prevention education?
[13:49] Intellagirl Tully: besides smokey the bear...have any of you ever been taught fire injury prevention? not just mitigation?
[13:49] Wainbrave Bernal: sure
[13:49] You: yes
[13:50] Intellagirl Tully: Hey Josepi! What do you emember about fre prevention?
[13:50] Intellagirl Tully: Jane...i know you have kids..what have you taught them?
[13:50] Intellagirl Tully: BG...what do your kids know about fire prevention?
[13:50] Josepi Noel: honestly besides the things i have learned from People's Burn Comunity Awareness...all I have learned from school is stop drop and roll
[13:51] Josepi Noel: kinda sad
[13:51] Intellagirl Tully: Typewriter...what have you taught your kids about escaping your apartmnet in a fire?
[13:51] Josepi Noel: Very very important to know escape routes, preplanning, etc.
[13:52] You: As a matter of interest, do you guys in USA have fire saftey TV slots? (we do in UK)
[13:52] Josepi Noel: do we?
[13:52] Intellagirl Tully: we really on't audio
[13:52] Intellagirl Tully: smokey the bear is long gone
[13:52] Wainbrave Bernal: nope
[13:52] Armikus Runo: just the "only you can prevent wildfires" spots
[13:52] You: We have segments like, "do not open the door is smoke is being emitted"...
[13:53] You: or "if the hot oil catches fire, use a wet towel"
[13:53] You: we have a lot of these.
[13:53] Armikus Runo: I've seen some Smokey the bear commercials recently - how many things can you make with a box of matches, how many can you destroy with just one
[13:53] Slow Messmer: bello
[13:53] Papper Papp: i samtana ! :))
[13:53] Intellagirl Tully: you're all techy...do you know how to be sure you're not causing fire danger with your powerstrips?
[13:54] Papper Papp: n
[13:54] Slow Messmer: santana???
[13:54] You: thats interesting then isn't it... that there are not many in USA>... we have a lot here.
[13:54] Papper Papp: non più
[13:54] You: and often on late at night, prime student TV time.
[13:54] Milosun Czervik: well crap, AZ... you people on the other side of the pond insist on 220... what the heck!!
[13:54] Slow Messmer: fanno corsi audio?
[13:55] Milosun Czervik: there are switches to turn on outlets ... wow.
[13:55] ElenaVannoni Szondi: ma dobbiamo uscire forse
[13:55] You: no, ce un po di chat..
[13:55] You: Milsoun, it's not a competition mate.. just find it interesting we have a ton of public service ads... for saftey
[13:55] You: why dont YOU GUYS
[13:55] Intellagirl Tully: tell me one thing you'll take away from todays discussion...one thing that you'll ask about, think about, do something about
[13:56] Wainbrave Bernal: practice escaping the house with my two young kids
[13:56] Milosun Czervik: I am going to ask questions to university officials, for sure... just to get my own curiosity satisfied.
[13:57] Josepi Noel: college dorms, and schools are different than elementary schools....they need the knowledge and how to escape from such buildings
[13:57] Milosun Czervik: you know what would be cool...
[13:57] Milosun Czervik: someone to fun a competition on YouTube for the frat or sorority that makes the best "fire prevention & escape" video
[13:57] Milosun Czervik: make it viral...
[13:58] Milosun Czervik: that'll get folks chatting
[13:58] You: there you go
[13:58] Intellagirl Tully: great point milo
[13:58] Wainbrave Bernal: oh yeah
[13:58] Josepi Noel: but it may be more intertaining than anything else
[13:58] Josepi Noel: entertaining
[13:58] Milosun Czervik: it might be...
[13:58] Intellagirl Tully: i sooo appreciate you all coming today
[13:58] You: We have them here for electricity, fire, cigarettes, driving, drinking....everything....
[13:58] Milosun Czervik: but the point is to provoke thought, for sure... as VM said
[13:59] Josepi Noel: def
[13:59] Wainbrave Bernal: thank you, intellagirl
[13:59] Intellagirl Tully: i can't tell you how much great info we've got here, thank you very much
[13:59] Josepi Noel: thank you
[13:59] You: thanks sarah
[13:59] Wainbrave Bernal: see you Friday!
[13:59] Intellagirl Tully: have an awesome day!!!
[13:59] Mintee Balut: Thank you
[14:00] You: ill post the chat.
[14:00] Milosun Czervik: have a good apres-midi
[14:00] Intellagirl Tully: thanks everyone!
[14:01] Intellagirl Tully: audio i have the chat too
[14:01] Intellagirl Tully: up to you
[14:01] You: sarah just had a fire safety officer tell us he got news to late to attend!!!
[14:01] You: dammit
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